I will take your advice and try to get an oven thermometer to test the temperatures. Can't see why the plate wouldn't work if heated long enough. My poolish uses yeast in the percentage range of .1% to .2%. Baking bread in a convection oven can give you an evenly cooked homemade bread a lot faster than your conventional oven and at a lower baking temperature. Baking: Place uncovered loaves, on their support sheet(s), on a middle oven rack. You will notice a few additional steps throughout the process which you may not be used to. A good rule of thumb is to set the oven to about 25°F below the recommended temperature of your recipe. Some of the baguettes that I placed on the top sheet pan in the convection oven seemed to be sapped of moisture right before getting their spring on. Bread sales start Wednesday! Her ovens have vents which can be closed to prevent the steam escaping in the first part of the bake. You can shape the bread into a round loaf (boule) or two longer loaves. Can someone recommend the best way to deal with this kind of ovens? I have a cast iron pot, but should I preheat it on the hobs? Crust dissipated quickly [2 minutes?]. I had to bake it for an additional 30 minutes longer after the lid was removed in order for it to brown. My steaming technique for all of the breads was this, steam with pouring water into a pan in the bottom of the oven and spritz all the loaves with water before loading. The 20 Best ALDI Finds for November Are All About Cookies & Thanksgiving. This recipe is very manageable and represents a good starting point to learn the art of baking great bread. 8. I find cast Iron more resilient after having broken two baking stones in the past. I use a method recommended by SourDom, an Australian baker. I still have quite a bit to play around with. Use the convection bake setting to achieve the best results. I could preheat on the hobs a cast iron steak griddle, but the handle would be problematic: it's made of wood. My main problem is that I can't get a decent crust at the bottom, that always remains tender. Winter Spice is almost black. This steam can be created by placing a pan of hot water on your oven floor or spraying water on the hot oven floor at the beginning of the bake. Bake 2: Turn oven to 450 degrees, steam oven and turn off oven after loading bread in via sheet pans. I have an electric fan oven, and either use a pre heated baking sheet, or a stone - I use a granite worktop saver, which in the UK you can get from wilkos - it's 40cm x 30 cm, and has a polished top face. My baguettes are based off of Anis Bouabsa's recipe, with the exception that I adjust the amount of water in the recipe and add a preferment of 30% of the flour in a poolish. Gread if that works. [.6%?]. and should I bake the bread with lid on? I'm a crust guy! Place the loaf pan on the lowest rack and cook the bread for 21 to 23 minutes on the low mix/bake setting. I forgot to mention that the rotating dish is made of ceramic. If a digital keypad there may be a combination of buttons orsome way to disable the fan? Brush tops of loaves with water OR egg wash AND steam the oven and turn it off during first 10 minutes of the bake in order to get proper oven spring. Everything looks beautiful up until this point. I am going to be adjusting the yeast and temperature accordingly. Regardless, I tried the bake a few ways. Join the discussion today. sourdough.com/video/baking-dom-steam-oven-technique. See this post. only the amount of yeast in the preferment after 24 hours could have significantly grown depending on the temperature of the ferment. I took the hydation of it from 75% down to 62% so that it will hold its shape overnight and be able to be baked straight out of the cooler. 2. The more time you save though, the harder your top surface will be - so there is no way you can save time and get the same or a better result. I still have questions that remain to be answered after reading all the posts I have found. My Rye Sourdough and Potato and Roasted Garlic breads proofed a little excessively in the 41 degree retard. As mentioned above, convection can speed up the process and alter the ideal temperature. Reply Clicking the will recommend this comment to others. http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/17821/convection-oven-problem-lack-luster  There are others posted when you do a search for convection ovens in the search box upper left corner. The convection fan does not turn off unless you turn off the oven. Larrys suggestion of an electrician putting an on off switch to the fan circuit will give you some control. I think using a cast iron pot would help a bit, if I recall I once used my Romertopf clay baking dish in the convection oven (massive monster of a thing) to bake one loaf covered and it did improve the crust of the loaf, but once again not to the degree you get with a conventional oven. Luby Extra Large Toaster Oven For Baking Bread. Today I am baking 35 loaves of bread, and I want to prevent as many baking problems as I can as this bake could be sellable and I would like it to be! Bake 1: Steam oven with steam pan and leave fan on low and oven at 350 degrees. I want to bake stellar bread, like I normally do! Idea 1: Pre-heat to 450 degrees. They deflated slightly when slashed, but continued to rise in the ovens. 40-45 mins should be long enough. The Fresh Loaf is not responsible for community member content. Bake 2: Turn oven to 450 degrees, steam oven and turn off oven after loading bread in via sheet pans. After 10 mins, I turn the oven down to 180C, and bake for a further 30 minutes - I usually get good crust & crumb, and a good spring. For stone baking to create firm base crust I use a slab of cast iron which I pre-heat to smoke point on the hobs. Ok, so it seems there's an agreement that my cold start method that worked so well in the other oven can't  be used with a convection oven. The Fresh Loaf is not responsible for community member content. I usually flip the loaves upside down for the final 10 mins to make sure the bottom is crisp & leave for 10 mins in the turned off oven to finally dry the crust. Am sure there are more answers as the search had lots of postings. Starting with 30 loaves +4 dozen cinnamon rolls [sponge method] each day, wednesday through saturday. As far as yesterdays bake, everything came out OK. I just landed a new job! Then remove the pans after 10-15 minutes through the bake and try to finish it through the convection cycle at 350 degrees. I turn the oven back on at 420F & check that most of the water has evaporated. http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/17821/convection-oven-problem-lack-luster. So by all means use the convection setting, but to make sure the bread turns out well, turn it around halfway through baking like you would for a non-convection oven. 1. Crusty, artisan-style breads also benefit from convection as long as there is some steam during “oven spring.”. the other loaves were more fortunate. In short, the same bread baked in the older oven that has upper and lower coils (the lower one under the rotating dish) springs better and makes a good crust. I'm not confident that many modern day ovens aren't insulated enough to hold heat well so you may be losing the energy to get the spring you want. Nothing was astonishingly good. The rye sourdough uses a 16 hr biga with only rye flour and a small percent of a seed culture. The longer it sits, the better it tastes. I feel my initial proof could be lengthened, as when I tasted my rye sourdough it was a little on the weak side and lacked the complexity it normally has. Problem: Almost no oven spring, loaves stayed dense and baked up in 15 minutes tops. I too have an oven where the convection cannot be turned off. I'm so used to using a deck oven with steam injection that I'm running into problems at this new bakery. Could I consider it equivalent to a baking stone heating it long enough? This is a digital oven with a stainless steel … Most convection ovens have two settings. Once bread has risen a little (15%++) turn fan on low and 350 degrees to finish bake. If dough is divided into 4 rolls, bake 35 minutes. Turn the mixer off and cover the mixing bowl with a damp kitchen towel or plastic wrap. Turn the oven back on in 12 to 15. Problem: not much oven spring, steam barely stayed in the oven. Well thats everything I have figured out SO FAR. Convection, conventional: Does it really make a difference? Have you checked the real temperature of the oven, not relying on the dial there can be a significant difference if the calibration is out hence fast bake times and colour to loaves. For a loaf-pan bread made from Italian Peasant Bread dough (page 46 of ABin5), the loaf baked faster than usual (about 25 to 30 minutes), rose higher, browned more deeply, and was more attractive. You might even be able to do cool start. Put your bread in, steam your nuts, ;-), turn off the oven. We live fulltime in an RV and that’s my only resource for baking. The dough will be slightly sticky. Finish bake at a low 325 with low fan setting. If loaves are fully proved then little oven spring can be expected. Mix times are 3 minutes on low 3 minutes on high. All of my loaves were proofed okay, and got good oven spring. The idea of turning the oven off works to take the fan out of play but you still need heat. If you see anything inappropriate on the site or have any questions, contact me at floydm at thefreshloaf dot com. I preheat the oven and stone to 500F with a cast iron skillet on the floor, then load the bread, pour boiling water into the skillet and turn the oven off for 10 mins to prevent evacuating the steam. Oh the pain. Knead the dough on medium low speed for 5 minutes. I used a convection oven and baked extra 3 mins at 180 C to get the right consistency. That was it that I tried yesterday. Finally, you might need new dishes for baking. I have a pure convection oven, meaning that there are no upper and lower coils. So, you can bake bread in 2-3 hours or in 3 days. https://www.onceuponachef.com/recipes/crusty-artisan-bread.html Read the Bread Baking - Convection Oven? First, lower the heat by 25 degrees F. Make sure that the convection fan isn’t fooling your thermostat (use an oven thermometer). Problem: Almost no oven spring, loaves stayed dense and baked up in 15 minutes tops. If you are baking bread in a convection oven, it shouldn’t really matter where you put the dough to cook. Now to confuse you more. If you are using a gas or electric oven, it is a different story; because these appliances do not have a fan, the heat gets distributed less evenly. Turn off the oven to let rise and then after ten minutes vent the oven and continue the convection bake. Perhaps contact the mfg? I think I read somewhere ages ago about that. Pancakes Recipes Waffles Recipes Pies Recipes Cookies Recipes Bread Recipes. There's only a fan at mid height blowing hot air. Preheat the convection oven to 425 F (220 C). It calls for a biga that raises overnight for 16 hours and I add a touch of whole wheat and rye flour into the mix. You might like to try a paste wash, either cornflour or arrowroot  work quite well just a small amount in water  brought to the boil to thicken to a paste and brushed on works quite well keeping the dough skin moist and protected from the initial blast of heat aiding any ovenspring that might be left in the loaves, will also give a bit of a shine too, great for keeping poppy/sesame seed stuck to bread. discussion from the Chowhound Home Cooking, Baking food community. If dough is divided into 2 rolls, bake 45 minutes, If you have made a single loaf, bake 75 minutes. Baking in a dutch oven would eliminate your problems. https://www.realsimple.com/.../cooking/convection-baking-regular-baking Preheat your convection oven to the temperature suggested in your bread recipe minus 25 degrees Fahrenheit. The bread is very crusty and delicious. Tips: - Place the loaf pan on the wire rack - Place a small cup with water under the wire rack to retain the moisture in the bread - Cover the surface of the bread with aluminium foil or butter paper if the bread … It would seem this type of feature may be possible given the mfg should know that certain items do not benefit from convection. The corn starch wash, will that lend a really thick crust? This site is powered by Drupal. All original site content copyright 2020 The Fresh Loaf unless stated otherwise. Place in 1 ½-qt baking dish 3 cups soft bread crumbs (use 4 cups for firmer pudding) Blend in… 2 cups milk, scalded with ¼ cup butter ½ cup sugar 2 eggs, slightly beaten ¼ tsp. My advice when shopping is to have a recipe you make a lot in mind, and while you're at the store, fantasy-bake it using the controls of any model you're considering. I might have to try it just to see how it works. Immediately place in the convection steam oven on rack position 2. I then preshape and rest another 30 minutes then final shape the loaves before placing on a floured parchment paper lined sheet pan to final proof at 41 degrees until 21 hours later. You set the temperature for 375°F, and if you press the convection setting, it automatically preheats itself to 350°F. I preheat the oven and stone to 500F with a cast iron skillet on the floor, then load the bread, pour boiling water into the skillet and turn the oven off for 10 mins to prevent evacuating the steam. If I am not mistaken, it uses 20% of the flour in the recipe. I bake on the back face, which is just as it was cut in the factory. Gluten development is good. Also: 1) if you can get to the fan by taking off a panel perhaps you can unplug one of the two leads going into the fan to disable? There are several threads on this site that suggest putting the dough into a cold, covered, cast iron pot produces as good a loaf as in a (scary) preheated pot. I thought I could maybe get a ton of disposable sheet pan size aluminum trays to cover the entire sheet pan, but i dont know if they offer that size at all. The only reason I don't use it is that I bake 3 loaves at a time. Most smart convection ovens come with a preinstalled function that optimizes the oven for baking cakes, among many other modes and food types. Mix final recipe with an adjustment to the yeast percent, mixing technique, and hydration in order to have 2% yeast, intensive mix and around 60-65% hydration. Bake 1: Steam oven with steam pan and leave fan on low and oven at 350 degrees. It's cracked over time, so I've learned that you have to bring it up to full oven temp of 240C gradually; I sprinkle semolina on it before putting on the dough from a home made peel, and also have a tray of water in the oven, put in cold when the oven is turned on. Hi Christine, Glad I was able to help a wee bit. https://www.askchefdennis.com/homemade-artisan-bread-recipe 8 Easy Ways to Make Boxed Mac & … Thanks for the link, but I already did a search and also read that. Did the previous operator of the oven not give you any tips on the intricacies of the beast, i know the college oven is quite difficult to master initially anyway and the dials can be a bit misleading. 20 minutes tops if not less and once again, loaves stayed dense but fully baked color on outside, very soft but baked interior. salt 1 tsp. A well-steamed oven also promotes gelatinization2: in the presence of heat starch molecules on the exterior of the dough begin to absorb available moisture (hello, steam), start to swell, and eventually pop to form a thin liquid layer (starch gel).This layer finally bakes hard and becomes a thin and crispy exterior with a subtle shine. Better than previous bake but still ended roughly very quick. It would save you a lot of messing about! Back to home page. Content posted by community members is their own. I have a friend who bakes professionally, producing wonderful sourdough bread in convection ovens. I'm very excited. The convection bake mode is perfect for denser doughs such as bread, heavy batter (banana bread), pies and cakes. Content posted by community members is their own. I use a method recommended by SourDom, an Australian baker. good luck! Rather than looking at it as a convection oven look at it as a convection oven that stores the heat in a secondary state aka radiant heat. Is there any way to change around my process to save time or increase bread quality? Second, most recipes are written for regular ovens, and convection ovens complicate the bake. Every thing that leaves the oven browns EXTRA fast, leaving behind a rather heavy and dense loaf which doesn't get much oven expansion, despite being completely proofed! I am tackling a new beast on a new style of oven that seems to run very dry part of the time. and you could have an electrician put in a simple switch that allows on or off, 2) cover the loaves with metal bowls the first 12 minutes to block the effects of the fan (hard to to with 35 baking) as the fan will take out the steam faster than you can create it, 3) Bake 50 degrees cooler than normal recipe, 4) higher hydration loaves so the crust can withstand the higher heat the fan promotes. Am I on the right track? I have a fan oven too and turning the oven off for ten minutes works well. I would assume the effect to be around 5-10 minutes. First of all, thank you for all of that informative insight! Bake until silver knife inserted 1" from edge comes out clean. The secondary problem is oven spring, that seems to be a  bit lacking. In fact, it reminds me of old country rustic bread. Problem is, we only have a double door convection oven in which the fan WON'T turn off! This site is powered by Drupal. Baking my bread in.. 30 minutes, DANG! For artisan-style bakers, deck ovens are a centerpiece of any artisan bakery, and often a crucial piece of baking equipment. How to Use Convection Oven for Cakes. If you are a chef or love to be a host and often … The convection fan does not turn off unless you turn off the oven. Brush the top of the loaf with milk and sprinkle with sesame seeds. I am intrigued by the holding back of yeast and salt in your mixing regime and the purpose that it serves. I might change this back to the old recipe and finish shaping it right before final proofing and baking. Q: I just made No-Knead Bread and wondered if you had any suggestions about doing it in a convection oven. Heat up the oven to at least 450 F, I'm going to assume that the the tiles will be about 25 to 50 F lower. Checking for "Done-ness": Finished bread is dark tan to walnut brown with darker "Freckles." It will be there when you turn off the oven. I have a pan with nuts and screws filled in the bottom of my oven and I place a cup of boiling water in it before placing the loaves in the oven. Press the center knob twice to select the Gourmet Mode menu. And as the demand for artisan products continues to increase, so does the need for the right equipment. To take full advantage of one of the many amenities of your oven, use these tips to help you choose between convection and conventional oven heat. Because heating and cooking is so efficient in a convection oven, you usually don’t need quite as high a temperature to get the same results. Yes. Preparation Method Place all the ingredients into the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with a dough hook. Check if the bread is done by tapping the crust. I only had one idea, as far as covering the loaves goes. Steam in bread baking: Method #1 The simplest method of adding steam to your oven is to spray the loaf with warm water prior to putting it into the oven. What I plan on doing in the future is maybe attaining a deep roasting pan in the exact dimensions as a full sheet pan and covering each pan before loading to steam them. Unfortunately, this method doesn’t offer much moisture, and the effects on the bread are minimal. Spray the oven once the bread is loaded, and then again about 5 minutes into the bake. The previous operator of the oven did not bake bread, he bakes quickbreads like muffins, some scones, cakes, etc. Put enough tiles (thicker is better) on baking sheets to cover, I'd put one set on each shelf but beware of the top heat on the lower shelf. Are there any commercial bakers out there that can give me a few pointers? Adding buttery flavor to sweet enriched brown... “PAIN À L’AIL DES OURS” Daniel Leader (Living... Tangzhong Onion Cheese Potato Sourdough Rolls. During this crucial step, the cold air slows the fermentation process and adds so much flavor and texture. If you see anything inappropriate on the site or have any questions, contact me at floydm at thefreshloaf dot com. Convection ovens are a baker's best friend, so it's no surprise that bread makers love the Cuisinart 2-Pound Convection Bread Maker. This is because the heat distribution of the oven should spread the heat evenly throughout. All original site content copyright 2020 The Fresh Loaf unless stated otherwise. So much more to work on. I also spray with a garden sprayer to add more steam. Full-size ovens generally have better circulation and ventilation, and they may include a filtering system. I need to also adjust the yeast back down to 1.5% so that the loaves are proofed correctly when I arrive in the morning. Shape into 2 loaves or 1 boule. Warm start and hot stone will be my next attempt. The biga for the potato bread is slightly higher. If you’re looking for the benefits of convection cooking, you should try to upgrade your range of wall ovens rather than buy a countertop convection oven. Making sure you understand what your convection oven can help you with, what recipe you need, and if you have everything ready is a half-done job. I let these proof for around 1-1.5 hours and give a single stretch and fold to the intensive mix. I haven't found this feature on mine, but the manufacturer of yours might be able to tell you how to do it. The ovens are brand new double door convection ovens by SouthBend. Rest as oven preheats. I noticed that the top oven cooks a lot faster, and the bottom double doors retain steam very well when filled with 2 or 3 sheet pans of proofed loaves. I've tried both and haven't seen any advantage to offset the risk of burns. Overcoming the convection oven learning curve If you are not accustomed to convection baking, there is a learning curve regarding temperature or time for baking changes—sometimes both at … cinnamon or nutmeg ½ cup seedless raisins Place baking dish in pan of hot water (1" deep). BLACK+DECKER TO3280SSD – Digital Budget Option. Innovate! Artisan Bread. Thank you for any ideas and I hope this post could serve as an informative guide for other bakers experiencing these same problems :]. My main problem that I have to fix is getting the correct crust and spring in my bread. Lower the temperature by 25°F. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Also when you say that you adjust the yeast percentage  to 2% at the time of mixing is that 2% inclusive of what was put into the preferment? In the potato bread, I use hamelman's recipe for Roasted Potato Bread. I was very dissapointed in myself and the ovens yesterday. At the bottom there's a rotating dish. I let these Autolyse for 30 minutes, then mix in the salt and yeast. Video Transcription. A banana bread in a bread pan will only slightly benefit from the convection oven regarding baking time. Regardless, I tried the bake a few ways. You really need to have a good feeling for when something is done and fully baked. For steam I pre-heat a tray packed with ceramic baking beans and pour kettle water in. The simple press of a button can help you bake and roast better. Pun intended! The thermostat is very reliable and does a very good job at maintaining the chosen temperature (verified with an external thermometer). This is when it gets hairy. I too have an oven where the convection cannot be turned off. The steam is dramatic. The crust of the loaves still came out very soft after sitting, which is unfortunate.